Interview Episodes

Stacey Morrison – not just about te reo Māori (#7)

Paperback Guerrillas podcast episode #7 – Pera and Stacey Morrison talk about career, te reo Māori, role modelling and much, much more.

I’ve had the full spectrum from being accused of being too plastic to being criticised for being too elite. So come at me bro.” — Stacey

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The title of this episode is a promise I made when explaining what we’d be talking about…and then broke. It was hard to not spend a decent chunk of time talking about te reo Māori with such an accomplished speaker, kaiako, and activist for our language.

Stacey Morrison (Ngāi Tahu, Te Arawa) is a māmā of three and is a taonga of TV and radio. She’s a fierce advocate for te reo Māori and it’s revitalisation across all of those platforms and more.

She’s appeared on and hosted some of our most important TV shows from Mai Time, to It’s in the bag, and a bunch of radio, including her current gig on The Hits.

Alongside her husband Scotty Morrison she co-authored Māori at Home as well as her own book My First Words in Māori.

We talk about getting to the point of doing the mahi that she loves, her early career, learning te reo Māori on TV in front of Aotearoa, and the changes she’s seen in the attitudes toward Māori in TV and radio.

She explains some of the challenges of being a mama in the public eye, being middle class and being comfortable with not needing to be a struggling artist.

Stacey gives her whakaaro on what te reo means and doesn’t mean when it comes to being Māori, the different experiences her own children have of Aotearoa and the struggle of identity that many Māori face.

We recorded this kōrero during lockdown level 3, so Stacey is at home with her (large) mirumiru, and they feature now and then, as do mine.

Stacey isn’t just an author and celebrity. She’s a rangatira, a deep thinker and doer in spaces that are important to all of us here in Aotearoa. I mentioned in this post on Patreon that this was quite an intimidating interview for myself and there were plenty of cringe moments I had to live through twice while editing where I stumbled, ummed, and ahh’d my way through to the next question, but Stacey carried the kōrero so well I hope you hardly notice them… plus I edited a bunch out to make me sound like a better host than I really am!

Anyway, this was one of the most inspiring and educational kōrero so far for me. I think you’ll really like it.

Mauri ora,

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Question: what was your favourite quote or lesson from this episode? Comment below and let us know!

As always, he mihi nui, a big thank you, to Patrick Ryan for the audio magic, and Trek One for the choice intro music (you can hear more of his music on Spotify here.)

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