Interview Episodes

Hori – Hustling, mental health, and being an artist (#6)

Paperback Guerrillas podcast episode #6 – Pera and Hori talk about hustling, mental health, being an artist, and more.

I couldn’t go into KFC and order anything, or into the mall, the doctor was like, mate this is anxiety. You need to stop drinking for a bit.” — Hori

Paperback Guerrillas is the podcast for mana enhancing kōrero (life-improving conversations).

In this episode, Pera Barrett sits down with Otaki based artist, Hori.

They talk about how and why Hori spent years fighting te ao Māori, and how he got to the point now of embracing it in his life and art, as a student of te reo Māori. We also talk about the thought process going into a mataora moko (facial tattoo), and having a laugh at ourselves as Māori and non-Māori. We talk about when university can be a bad idea, and what us parents can do to help our children find the mahi that they love. Hori talks about facing into his ego, anger, and how his mental health led to the decision to leave the country.

We hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we enjoyed recording it.

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Show notes:

  • Hustling as an artist and making money from your art
  • Mental health and the struggles of artists and teachers
  • Being happy without being rich
  • Moving away from te ao Māori and then coming back as a student
  • The benefits of being a Māori artist


Question: what was your favourite quote or lesson from this episode? Comment below and let us know!

As always, he mihi nui, a big thank you, to Patrick Ryan for the audio magic, and Trek One for the choice intro music (you can hear more of his music on Spotify here.)

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